I can’t add much of anything scientific, Chester. Honestly, the time-travel stuff is a real headache. I was thinking today about time-travel in the Faustian World you brought up once and darn near had an aneurism!
It just seems some things, added up, may point to there being no original timeline. Things like the ‘balance’ imagery of the Dharma logo. Yin yang has popped up somewhere... The ‘reincarnation’ anagram may have further meaning. The symbiotic banyan – that seemed important once. Mirrors and more mirrors. There’s Rose’s déjà vu moment in the Pilot and Locke’s causal toy from way back. -- Locke’s very strong sense of destiny. There are possible causal loops in Faraday’s name and Faraday’s machine settings. The seemingly self-existing compass’ 360° may be doubly symbolic.
It would be a bit of a bummer, though. The universe as a multi-faceted but unchanging cycle means that everything is predetermined. But the illusion of free agency a cross-reality traveler can enjoy is, IMO, far more palatable than the contrivances necessary to maintain the illusion in a basic one-timeline time-travel drama. ugh
I can’t add much of anything scientific, Chester. Honestly, the time-travel stuff is a real headache. I was thinking today about time-travel in the Faustian World you brought up once and darn near had an aneurism!
It just seems some things, added up, may point to there being no original timeline. Things like the ‘balance’ imagery of the Dharma logo. Yin yang has popped up somewhere... The ‘reincarnation’ anagram may have further meaning. The symbiotic banyan – that seemed important once. Mirrors and more mirrors. There’s Rose’s déjà vu moment in the Pilot and Locke’s causal toy from way back. -- Locke’s very strong sense of destiny. There are possible causal loops in Faraday’s name and Faraday’s machine settings. The seemingly self-existing compass’ 360° may be doubly symbolic.
It would be a bit of a bummer, though. The universe as a multi-faceted but unchanging cycle means that everything is predetermined. But the illusion of free agency a cross-reality traveler can enjoy is, IMO, far more palatable than the contrivances necessary to maintain the illusion in a basic one-timeline time-travel drama. ugh
Yeah, what he (or she) said.
Honesty LAL, I appreciate your thoughts very much. I think TPTB are in a pickle and no matter how they resolve the time issue, some will be disappointed. My hope is that they actually take a stand one way or the other and don't just leave it unresolved. That's copping out as far as I'm concerned.
I'm interested in your determination that no original timeline means that everything is predetermined. How did you come to that conclusion? I agree 100% that free-will (although you used the term free agency - is this the same? I only know that term in the context of sports, so I'm a bit confused.) is A LOT more palatable!
__________________ “We have to believe in free-will. We've got no choice.” ~ Isaac Bashevis Singer
I can’t add much of anything scientific, Chester. Honestly, the time-travel stuff is a real headache. I was thinking today about time-travel in the Faustian World you brought up once and darn near had an aneurism!
It just seems some things, added up, may point to there being no original timeline. Things like the ‘balance’ imagery of the Dharma logo. Yin yang has popped up somewhere... The ‘reincarnation’ anagram may have further meaning. The symbiotic banyan – that seemed important once. Mirrors and more mirrors. There’s Rose’s déjà vu moment in the Pilot and Locke’s causal toy from way back. -- Locke’s very strong sense of destiny. There are possible causal loops in Faraday’s name and Faraday’s machine settings. The seemingly self-existing compass’ 360° may be doubly symbolic.
It would be a bit of a bummer, though. The universe as a multi-faceted but unchanging cycle means that everything is predetermined. But the illusion of free agency a cross-reality traveler can enjoy is, IMO, far more palatable than the contrivances necessary to maintain the illusion in a basic one-timeline time-travel drama. ugh
I think that aneurism is contagious.
What do you mean by a "multifaceted but unchanging cycle", as compared to "basic one-timeline"?
In the model with the stick and tape, everyone still has free-will (or agency). But there's still really only one time-line - ie., one (never ending?) roll of tape.
By "Faustian World" do you mean one where time-travellers have used their ability to set things up to suit them at the expense of the rest they work to keep ignorant of the fact, or a "mirror" type world that could exist amongst us but be immune from our detection?
__________________ Others apart sat on a hill retir'd / In thoughts more elevate, and reason'd high / Of Providence, foreknowledge, will and fate / Fix'd fate, free will, foreknowledge absolute / And found no end in wand'ring mazes LOST. ~ Milton
Say there are just two realities. Reality A leads to B, and B leads to A. Both are real; neither is original. If there’s a loop, all 'choices' made are inevitable because a loop will not vary. It’s WHH & WH will H. It's WHWH, WWHH, WHWWHWHzkiwkjiawwfudge
chester, sorry. Instead of 'basic one-timeline story,' make that 'one reality story,' or a WHH story with no hidden realities. The individual realities in a cycle would be facets of the unchanging whole. a-b-c-a-b-c
I'm interested in the backward time and entropy (are they the same?) ascribed to the supposed Faustian World and was wondering if that idea might be necessary to support codependent, regenerating realities in LOST, whether it’s just two worlds (universes) or some larger system. But even if the idea has merit, it’s beyond me...
Stalemate is just a possibility, though. Travelers to the past in your description are free agents, so there would be a chance for the bad guy(s) in LOST to win. That’s good drama.
) is A LOT more palatable!
“We have to believe in free-will. We've got no choice.” ~ Isaac Bashevis Singer
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