Do we know for a fact Ben was killed? If he was than why was RA surprised to see the Island bring someone back from the dead as in JL?
Oh, right - maybe he wasn't dead. I guess I assumed, so he just took him to "heal him" in some mysterious way- did this have anything to do with 'qualifying' him to kill Jacob? Did MIB know he had to find a way, a loop hole to get Ben to do it? I wonder if he became 'chosen' at that time in the underground temple by MiB?
Smokey can kill people (Mr Echo and french guys)
Flocke can't kill people
Why doesn't smokey just kill Jacob? Why go through the whole entire loophole thing? I mean, it must be pretty easy to kill Jacob - Ben just walked in there and basically shoved a knife in the guy's stomach.
Smokey can kill people (Mr Echo and french guys)
Flocke can't kill people
Why doesn't smokey just kill Jacob? Why go through the whole entire loophole thing? I mean, it must be pretty easy to kill Jacob - Ben just walked in there and basically shoved a knife in the guy's stomach.
its not a matter of killing poeple its a matter of not being able to kill someone in particluar for some unknown reason.
We have seen this already when Ben cant kill Widmore. His exact words to Widmore was when Widmore asked if ben was there to kill him Ben said "We both know I cant do that". I am focusing on the "cant" as opposed to I "wont" And for whatever reason Ben cant kill Wdmore is the same reason that Ben, most likely talking about Widmore after Alex was killed he sai "He changed the Rules", whatever the ules may be include killing another Other Others cant kill other Others without some type of penalty as we saw with Juliet.
its not a matter of killing poeple its a matter of not being able to kill someone in particluar for some unknown reason.
We have seen this already when Ben cant kill Widmore. His exact words to Widmore was when Widmore asked if ben was there to kill him Ben said "We both know I cant do that". I am focusing on the "cant" as opposed to I "wont" And for whatever reason Ben cant kill Wdmore is the same reason that Ben, most likely talking about Widmore after Alex was killed he sai "He changed the Rules", whatever the ules may be include killing another Other Others cant kill other Others without some type of penalty as we saw with Juliet.
Something to do with killing on of their own.
Mhmm, you're right on the Ben vs Widmore sorta thing.
Is it because the island won't let him kill him? Maybe Ben can KILL Widmore on the island, but off the island he can't because he's still "banished" so if he's still "banished" then he must have something protecting him from Ben.
its not a matter of killing poeple its a matter of not being able to kill someone in particluar for some unknown reason.
We have seen this already when Ben cant kill Widmore. His exact words to Widmore was when Widmore asked if ben was there to kill him Ben said "We both know I cant do that". I am focusing on the "cant" as opposed to I "wont" And for whatever reason Ben cant kill Wdmore is the same reason that Ben, most likely talking about Widmore after Alex was killed he sai "He changed the Rules", whatever the ules may be include killing another Other Others cant kill other Others without some type of penalty as we saw with Juliet.
Something to do with killing on of their own.
Ah, Ok I see what you are saying....but rules are always made to be broken.
Flocke couldn't kill Jacob because he was taken over by smokey who is in turn the MiB. So....are Jacob and MiB the original Others? And have they passed down their "rules" to all the others after them?
Wasn't there a line in Planet of the Apes that was something similar....Monkey can't kill monkey? That was a great movie.
Ah, Ok I see what you are saying....but rules are always made to be broken.
Flocke couldn't kill Jacob because he was taken over by smokey who is in turn the MiB. So....are Jacob and MiB the original Others? And have they passed down their "rules" to all the others after them?
Wasn't there a line in Planet of the Apes that was something similar....Monkey can't kill monkey? That was a great movie.
yeah you guys are always talkin about back to the future nstuff what about Planet of the apes series, the original series of movies ... all you younger folk ought to go out and rent those or netflix those or however people do that stuff nowadays n check them out for another take on a time loop scenario
this is old stuff, but good stuff!
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Yeah, I too thought that the "rules" is why Ben "can't" kill Widmore, or MiB "can't" kill Jacob. We know that if the rules are broken, these people must be judged, with a possibility of being killed themselves. So, the loophole may just be a way around that. It's like if any of us wanted to murder someone we would try to find some sort of loophole around the law so we aren't judged ourselves.
However, if this was the case then it still doesn't make sense for Ben to have been the one who had to kill Jacob, since Ben shouldn't have been able to do it either. Unless once Ben was banished, he became just another civilian able to circumvent the rules and laws of the island itself.
Yeah, I too thought that the "rules" is why Ben "can't" kill Widmore, or MiB "can't" kill Jacob. We know that if the rules are broken, these people must be judged, with a possibility of being killed themselves. So, the loophole may just be a way around that. It's like if any of us wanted to murder someone we would try to find some sort of loophole around the law so we aren't judged ourselves.
However, if this was the case then it still doesn't make sense for Ben to have been the one who had to kill Jacob, since Ben shouldn't have been able to do it either. Unless once Ben was banished, he became just another civilian able to circumvent the rules and laws of the island itself.
Hey jd, I am not so sure about the rules being broken and judged by Smokey. If thats what you were referring to.
Juliet broke the rules and she was judged by her peers, or was about to be judged.
Ben broke the same rule but he wasnt judged by Smokey for it or any other thing he did that would appear to be breaking rules, like trying to kill off the Leader of the Island.
He was only being judged for Alex getting killed? It was the only thing he felt bad about really.
I do think there are rules that just cant be broken and some that arent so exacting.
Its a very weird thing and hope there is a very good explanation for the inconsistencies with the "rules".
Like why did MIB need a loophole to kill Jacob?
Did Widmore actually not change the rules since he wasnt the one who actually killed Alex but got someone else to do it and actually make them think it was there choice?
Dont know.
But then again, Ben never expected Alex to be killed for whateve he thought the rules were. I dont think Ben was lying when he said "He changed the rules"
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